nealkfrank

Postgame Breakdown - ROOT

Alright, the moment you have been waiting for. My thoughts on last night with #Root, the most often talked about game on this site! To give you context, we did assign roles and assigned some homework to do before hand, mostly just rules overviews but no strategy. 

I was the Eyrie, @Sliddell11 was the Cats, our friend Charlie was the Vagabond (he wins a lot of our games, so we gave him a hard faction), and another friend was the Woodland Alliance. 

Right out the gate, there is a lot of rules overhead, from set up to just a lot of specific situations that you do need to constantly need to be referring to the rule books...yes both of them lol. 

Our first game (we played two, back to back) was pretty rocky. A lot of learning, referring to the rules, some frustration because of the rules unfamiliarity and the game is very conflict heavy so there is some reason to get passionate about the game! I was able to jump out to a big lead with Eyrie, and I learned that was a rough go, big time target on my back and all three guys made it their mission to send me into turmoil, all the while Alexander (the Alliance) was just quietly and "innocently" built up an army and made it impossible to stop him from easily spreading sympathy even without cards. They ended up winning by just moving his warriors around and placing a sympathy with them. I came in second with about 25 points as the Eyrie and the cats and Vagabond were probably in the teens. We all agreed we needed to give the game another go. 

Second game...played much differently. We all were more aware of everything and kept each other in check. I am embarrased to say that I went into turmoil THREE times this game. Two of them were induced by other players, which is fine. But my first one was all me and I most likely lost the game because of that. I just could not recover. We all kept the Alliance in check...but the Vagabond man. Charlie really figured them out well and found a good system with the corssbows and being an aggressive fighter. Even when he is being attacked he was able to gain points which propelled him to a solid victory...with me again at about 25 points as the Eyrie, but it was MUCH closer and there was less time spent in the rule books...which probably caused us to miss some rules but that is ok. We will be better next time!

Here is my battery evaluation:

(+) The game is exceptional at creating conflict and forcing you to interact with other players. 

(+) The factions function all so differently so there is a lot to master and there is a lot to be aware of. Once you master one, you can switch up the roles and start all the learning over again!

(+) The game is BEAUTIFUL! Components are great (for the most part, I will get there). The art is amazing, the meeples feel really great, and the board is very compelling!

(+) It is definitely political, you have to play the people as well as the factions which to me is a big plus. We often play some Euro's in our game group with little interaction so this was a nice change. 

(-) Man there is a lot to digest. Being in the rule book as much as we were prior to the game, and as many videos we watched...we still had the rule books out almost every turn...plus we still missed rules. Having so many rules cause some frustration in the group, almost like we were really having to trudge through every action to make sure we were playing correctly. 

(-) The player boards warp like CRAZY! I actually had to punch the copy that we were able to borrow and as soon as we got the boards out of the shrink, they just had a life of their own! It is probably fixable with some heavy books and letting them get used to the humidity levels, but for such a beautiful game, it took just a little away from the production. 

(-) King-making is pretty hard. You can feel like you are doing well and at times you feel like you cannot properly defend yourself. It is part of the game to evaluate who is about to have a big turn, but it can be hard for a Euro gamer to have their "stuff" messed with lol!

All in all, we all had an excellent time! We all wanted to play a second game and we all are looking forward to another play through soon, with hopefully less rules blunders and some more tactics and strategies honed in! 

4 points by nealkfrank - updated 3 months ago | 227 comments | report | subscribe

philryuh Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Glad you guys had a great time! Sounds you have a really nice group for Root and that there will be possibilities of getting expansions in the future :)

For the next game, is the plan to keep all faction choices the same? or to mix things up a bit? (was there a faction that you wanted to try out after seeing it in action that night?)

Also, I had no idea about the player boards warping since I haven't experienced it before. 

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

We definitely do have a good group for it. A lot of fun bickering lol.

We have not decided yet, I am sure there will be some shuffling around to mix it up!

Yea, it was one of the things I had heard about and saw on some videos, but it was pretty bad. It can be fixed though with some heavy books and some time for them to get used to the atmosphere! My Quacks boards were warped a little initially too but have calmed down a lot!

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

So much fun bickering.  I love when I try to convince someone to do something and they are like, that doesn't even help me.  And I have to try convince them, it does.  And the person we are targeting trying to turn the tables back on me.

Edit:  I'll try out some books to get everything back into shape.

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Oh I love a good bicker session lol. 

Marshwiggle92 Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

I'm glad someone here hasn't had that problem. I wonder if it a more of a climate thing, or a manufacturing thing? I also wonder if it is worse for a specific printing. 

philryuh Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Hope our copies of Root won't have that issue xD

Marshwiggle92 Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

I hope so 

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Such a great time. Even though I did not play very well, I am itching to play more in order to refine the strategy. I think it would be fun to also play against the cats since I know how they operate now haha 

philryuh Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Also, saving some bird cards in your hand can help you make some clutch plays! My wife destroyed me in one of her turns by taking three additional actions as the Cats using her three bird cards :(

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

That makes sense, they do a lot of building and developing, then BAM they can make an aggressive play!

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Dude the bird cards were the best! Since the cats are limited to only 3 actions, those helped a ton.

Marshwiggle92 Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Does she like those big power plays? Or does she prefer building a engine? 

philryuh Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Hahaha yes, I'm sure you'll be able to exploit their weaknesses if you play against the Cats. I think some of the main lessons I learned from my first play with the Cats were (1) you don't need that many sawmills and workshops are actually higher in priority, and (2) the placement of your first three buildings during setup can be helpful for the cards you really want to craft (the ones with persisting effects).

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

I know I wish I would’ve done more workshops! I almost never had enough sawmills and too many people... I was all mixed up haha 

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Yeah, Cats can be slow on crafting.  I can't wait to try the new deck that came with Root: The Underworld Expansion, I've heard it's amazing.

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

It looks so good! The moles look super interesting too!

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

I think a lot of people are hot on the Corvids.  But man, I really want to play the Moles.

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Haha they just seem so cool! Them and the lizards are the ones I want to use..

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Oh yeah, i want to play the Corvids some day.  In the first 6 factions I really liked the Lizards the most.  Maybe because they are the most difficult.

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

As in the most difficult to play?

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

They are the most difficult to win with.  At least that's my impression and I've seen that among reviewers as well.

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Have you ever been able to win with them??

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Once.  I was able to get a hated souls often.

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

I have no idea what that means lol, I will need to look more into how they play!

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Ha.  The shortest way to say it is that you are limited to where you can take your main actions to specific clearing (either fox, mouse, or bunny) based on what others discard.  The first time a clearing because outcast it costs a large number of acolytes (Lizard Warriors) to do an action.  If you have a clearing type the same for successive turns it cost much less to do the actions.

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

It is a completely new deck??

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Yes, it completely replaces the previous deck.  From what I've seen it has more powerful ongoing crafting abilities.  It also can give you access to small versions of the other factions abilities.  For instance one of them allows you to dig tunnels (like the Moles) with some restrictions.

Marshwiggle92 Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Today does sound fun 

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

That sounds so neat! Hopefully I can find the expansion for cheap haha 

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

That would be nice.  I got lucky finding it at a FLGS that does 30% off retail.  I do know that they are eventually going to sell just the Exiles and Partisans deck as a separate expansion.  Unfortunately, I don't think the retail version of #Root: The Underworld Expansion will come with it automatically.

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Where is this shop?

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

It's called the Gaming Goat.  There are a few in the US but I live right outside Denver.

philryuh Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

My goodness, that name brings back memories. The CEO of that chain had some serious bout/drama with Jamey from Stonemaier Games.

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Really?!  I’ve not heard that.  Do you know any of the details?

philryuh Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Hahahhaa well it'll be an interesting read for you. I'll dig up some links for you after work tonight.

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Really?? What was it about?

philryuh Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned it haha... but here are some links @sdirrane @nealkfrank. There was a lot that went on:

I believe this was the beginning of things to come, with a blog post from Jamey: https://stonemaiergames.com/an-open-letter-to-distributors-and-retailers-from-stonemaier-games/

And then the CEO of Gaming Goat got on reddit putting Jamey on full blast, including bits and pieces of his email exchanges with Jamey: https://www.reddit.com/r/boardgames/comments/bobcdd/stonemaier_games_ongoing_retailer_issues_outlined/ (the admins had to take this down due to some issues, so you can't see what the CEO wrote)

Another discussion thread opened up shortly afterward: https://www.reddit.com/r/boardgames/comments/bojmeh/gaming_goatstonemaier_discussion_thread/

Jamey also started addressing these on BGG and in another blog post: https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2202524/what-happened-between-stonemeir-and-distributors

https://stonemaiergames.com/the-truth-about-stonemaier-games/

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Maybe I'm not reading well enough into it, or it's because TGG CEO's comments aren't there, but I'm trying to find any direct talk from Jamey about TGG.

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Man...people are crazy. Jamey seems like a stand up dude that wants to be up front and clear about his business and the decisions he makes. I appreciate his candidness with all of the criticism and how active he is in the hobbies community!

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Dude we don’t seem to have many good shops around us. Everything I’ve ever been to marks everything up like $20 over amazon.. haha 

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Ya we have no good in store options really. 

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

We should go in as co-owners of a gaming goat. Or just drive out to Vegas together haha

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

If they have a Pax Pamir 2e at 30% off....I might be down lol. 

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Haha ROAD TRIP ROAD TRIP!!

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

LETS DO IT

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

I don’t think you realize what you’ve yet done, Road Trip Buddy😎

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Maybe I dont realize what I have done...

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Auto correct error😭

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Yeah most FLGS have to sell at MSRP which makes the prices too high.  I'm so happy The Gaming Goat moved into my area.

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

What exactly makes them different?

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

I'm not sure what it is that allows them to offer 30% of retail.  Maybe because they are a bit bigger (multiple locations around the country?).  They also offer themed room rentals for $10 an hour.  But the kicker is that you basically get that money back in credit to the store.  So I think that's a good use of space.  They basically get you to buy games by using their space.

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

That sounds incredible! That would be really neat to have out here. 

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

It's definitely cool.  And I feel lucky to have it.  Actually when it opened it had one copy of Root left when I got there and I grabbed it immediately.  I feel really lucky.  It was $40.

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Dude that’s crazy!!!

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

I feel very fortunate I was able to get it when I did and for the price I did. 

philryuh Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Imagine if you grabbed it at the same time as another customer. What do you do then haha. That was a great price!!

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

I would have played an Ambush Card. 😂

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Haha but then you rolled a 3 and 1... and they were the alliance...

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Yikes.  Thankfully I didn't have to deal with those pesky toasts.

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

HA! Good candidate for comment of the @philryuh

philryuh Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Well played. Lol

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Pun intended?

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

But let’s be real... that’s probably a good thing

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

I mean...speak for yourself lol.

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

HahaI don’tbuy that many games! But around Christmas time... I’d wantto be thereall the time haha

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

You definitely have the resources lately to up your game collection!

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Haha yeah, after I sadly had to return some stuff... but it worked out!

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Hey sometimes it is great having some extra cash flow to get what you REALLY want lol. 

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Haha it really was! Not going to happenfor a long time now... lol

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Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Geez that’s crazy... the closest one to us is in Vegas 😭

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Ya what the heck! I need this in my life lol. 

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Ah bummer... 

Also what is FLGS?

philryuh Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

It's an acronym for "Friendly Local Game Store"!

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Ohhhh hahaha you learn something new every day!

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Thanks Phil, beating me to the punch again. 

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Haha as always!

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Oh dang, that is cool! Does it offer a permanent way to travel on the river?

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

You know, I'm not sure.  I'll look at em sometime today and report back.

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Cool, I could see it even being a one time bonus card. 

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Hey, I finally got around to looking through the deck.  There is one card that if crafted allows you to use the river as a path (it's called boat builders).  You need to have three crafting spots to us it (but it looks like it can be any three).  However, there is also a card in the deck that allows you to remove a crafted card from another player.  I'd think if you drew the discard power as the Otters you'd like it to remove the Boat Builders.  But I could also see using it to my advantage down the line.  Say Boat Builders gets removed.  I'd totally sell someone on using my Riverboats because they see how important to River is for instance.

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Ooooooo that is interesting! Super cool! Thank you for looking into that. Definitely adds a new dimension!

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Yeah, they have a few that allow you to take on the roles of other factions.  It seems really awesome.  I can't wait to play a game with the new deck.

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Do you have a group you can regularly play with?

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Plus you know, trying to build a group out of my family.

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Lol always! Any success?

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

My oldest (7) really enjoys the games we've played so far so hopefully she can pass that excited down to her sisters and we can get a whole gaming group by the time she's 11 or 12.

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Very good! Indoctrinate them while they are young! 

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Before they know any better, haha.

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Before their wallets know better lol. 

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Yeah, I have about 7 - 8 different adults that will play games (the people who can make it often rotate).

I also have High Schoolers that I work with who love Board Gaming and are really into the hobby so I get to play games with them as well.

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Nice! Sounds like you have a decent pool of gamers in your area!

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

I told you before the second game! You need wood!!!

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Haha I was good though! My biggest problem was that I couldn’t craft anything and I was afraid of losing my numbers in conflict 😔

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Can't be afraid to lose warriors in the "War for the Woodland."  High risk, high reward. Hah.

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Haha right?! I didn’t take almost any risks in our couple games..

Marshwiggle92 Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Are you saying you got basically no rewards in your games? 

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

I mean I got rewards I guess but probably not as much as I could have!

Marshwiggle92 Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Better next time 

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

That’s the hope!

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

The second game was definitely more competitive!

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]


Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Haha very true. The second one was much better

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

That's one thing I love about Root too.  You want to get back to it.  It's fun to pay as a faction and then face off against that faction the next round.  Because it's not exactly the same.  You have different player counts, different card draws, different dice results.  So much to unpack.

theDL 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

This has been a similar experience for me with Dune. I keep thinking about it...that game sticks in your mind. My friend pre-ordered Root, so I'll get to play it relatively soon! Definitely excited.

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

This was something that for sure stood out, the second game we played unfolded VERY differently than the first even with the same factions. I am sure the next time we play as well we will have a totally different vibe too even if we play the same factions!

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Yeah, I think it gets better every time.

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Definitely! I loved all of that. The only one of those things I didn’t like too much of was the dice for combat, mainly because I never had any cards that would mitigate the results...

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Yeah, you gotta get some ambush cards for sure.  Also, I think the Exiles and Partisans deck help a bit.

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

I had only one ambush card and I was never able to use it.... 

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

I had one too, tried to use it, then it wasnt the right clearing... RIP

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Yeah, I think this is another thing I like.  You need to manage what you keep and what you craft and what you discard.  But sometimes that just due to the draw.

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

That whole clearing vs suit nonsense was getting to me haha

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

#babybrain

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Dude... it’s so real...😭

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

I have always heard from different outlets that dice based combat "simulates" a real battle, no battle is a guarantee. I do agree though that it was frustrating especially since the Alliance would defend everything always...

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

I can totally see that. I think my problem was with how much strategy is involved with everything else and then how much luck was involved with the battle with no strategy. It just didn’t add up to me. Not enough for me to not enjoy the game tho, I just need to rethink my risk taking haha 

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

There is definitely a lot of risk in this, I am uncomfortable with it too, which is why the Eyrie were a little uncomfortable for me!

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Haha especially for euro gamers like us... 

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Yeah, maybe it's the style.  I play a lot of games with combat and I find Roots to be less punishing than others because of the low amount of total damage that could take place.

Plus, when you use the Lizards you actually want to goad people into battle and you want to lose all 3 of your warriors.

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

I have heard they are super hard to play as!

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

They really are a challenge.  That's what I like about them.  But they can blow up other factions if you play your acolytes correctly.  Then it's so fun.

Marshwiggle92 Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

That aspect of goading others into battle is super fascinating to me. 

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

It's really fun. But also quite a challenge.

Marshwiggle92 Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Perfect 

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

That’s super interesting with the lizards. Yeah most combat games I’ve played have been really simple, almost chess-like. So these are veeerrry different for me haha 

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Lol yes...there needs to be structure!!!!

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

“Don’t touch my stuff!”

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

You know though, the WA ability isn't quite as great as it looks.  If they didn't have that ability they would always lose.  It's is extremely rare for the WA to have 3 warriors in a clearing.  So most of the time by taking the higher roll you don't inflict as much damage as you do protect your little ragtag group from utter destruction.

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Those sympathy tokens scare me so much😭

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Well there was a moment where they had 6+ in a clearing...we let it grow with out checking it too much...

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

That was terrifying 

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

It really was a bad oversight on our side of things...

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Yeah, I think they were so ambiguous that they were kinda scary to mess with..

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Alexander also played them very meekly. I was expecting him to be more aggressive but he played it very close to the chest. 

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

He did super well for his first couple games. Honestly you all did though! I was impressed!

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

The homework man, it makes a difference!

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Haha very quickly I realized I needed to have done more

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Lol yes, I think you misunderstood what Charlie said. He said no strategy looking up but to learn as much through rules explanations and such!

Marshwiggle92 Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Now you know for next time 

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Haha yeah I guess so!

Marshwiggle92 Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

But it doesn't look like the dice are too swingy. 

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

They aren't and part of that is biggest 3 is the highest number.  Also you can only inflict as much damage as warriors you have in the battle.

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

I think my qualm was because I lost every time... I was so mad haha 

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

I totally understand that.  Maybe you need to play the Woodland Alliance next time.  Ha!

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Haha based on what I was rolling, you’re probably right haha 

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Loooooots of double zeros lolol. 

philryuh Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

I've.... never rolled a double zero xD

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

It's low but I've done it quite a bit.  And it is the wooooorst when your defending as Lizards.

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

In due time Phil...

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

So frustrating 😂

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Again, like I said in another reply, that the worst result if you're the Lizards especially.  Sometimes it's not so bad as the Eyrie because it gives you options to continue to fulfill that battle part of the decree.

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Yeah definitely. I like how the different factions are affected by combat.

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

I thought it was fairly reasonable!

Marshwiggle92 Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

That was my impression. 

Marshwiggle92 Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

I am looking so forward to getting a chance to try it. 

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

It’s totally worth it!

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]


Marshwiggle92 Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Amen

Marshwiggle92 Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Seems like it... 

Skurvy5 Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

This sounds amazing. I wish I had a game group that could handle this one. 

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

It is not super overwhelming in terms of play, if you know the rules well enough you can drive the game well while others are along for the ride!

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

I will say it was hefty, but I think if the 1-3 other people you play with watch a video on their faction and at least one person knows the nitty gritty rules, you’d be fine. 

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Yup.  That's been my experience.  The two turns laid out for you can really help new players as well.

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

I wish I would’ve utilized that... 

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Lol, I will take the blame for that. I am all about throwing people into the deep end, but it may have been nice for ya!

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 2 points[-]


nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Wow...I sense a lot of judgement...

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

You need to be judged...

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Just trying to have a little fun.

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Lol I got you! 

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]


Marshwiggle92 Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Lol

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Haha it would've been nice the first game I think..

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

TTS.  Once by youngest starts sleeping through the night.  But I hear you.  I have games I can't play because my group would have no interest.

Marshwiggle92 Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Sounds great. I think that the politicking sounds awesome. 

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Dude this was a great aspect but with how quick and final decisions are made it can be tricky to know when to actually do this.

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

I think the hardest thing was that you could not really offer anything in return, just a promise lol. 

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Haha so true... it would be great to be able to trade something...

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

That's where the Otters come into play.  I think if you could trade in general it would make the Riverfolk obsolete.  

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Geez every faction brings something so interesting...

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

That another thing that makes it such a brilliant game.

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

That's the fun of it though, at least in part.  You have to trust your enemies as much as you can.  While still guarding against them.

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Very true, there was a moment where we needed to attack the Alliance...and someone decided to attack me instead, and the Alliance won easily the next turn...

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

This can be one of the times the WA's Guerilla Warfare ability really helps them.  As the WA I'm like, you know you're more likely to have success against (said other Faction) because you'll take the higher roll.

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

It's seriously one of my favorite aspects.  It's why I think I'd love the Riverfolk.  I'm also surprised I've never played them.

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

The riverfolk seem like they would add a really nice dimension to the game since they can provide goods during their bargaining!

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Yeah, and I love to talk so I think I'd be good at peddling my wares.

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

HA! Excellent! I feel like the Riverfolk need to be played with a person gifted in sales...

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Totally.  I've actually been annoyed with the person playing the Riverfolk when they don't remind me what they have to offer.  Especially as the Lizards.  I would get through a turn and after look at their hand and I was like "man why didn't you remind me of that card I totally would have bought it from you, now we both lose out."

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

I have heard that they add SO much to the game, so much so that some people wont play without them!

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

I definitely prefer at least one Riverfolk faction when I play.  I'm sure once I try out the Underworld I'll want at least one from each.

Another thing I like about the game is that it is almost living.  In the sense that previously I didn't care for the Woodland Alliance but now I really enjoy playing with them.

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Oh for sure, I can see the game getting more and more complex and feeling changing the more you play and experience!

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

I also think this adds to my desire to play with the same group.  The way you negotiate needs to change as well.  You can't use the same tactics every time.

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

totally, I feel like our game had little to no negotiation, we did not see much benefit to it, but I am sure that will change and the negotiations will change based on positioning in clearings. 

Marshwiggle92 Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Thats hilarious 

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Yeah you definitely need to try to plan well as the Eyrie, which is super fun, but also plan well for when you fall into turmoil.  The savvy Eyrie sees the writing on the wall before things fall apart.

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Oh I definitely saw the writing, just a little bit too late...there was one time where I just traveled directly through the clearing I was going to build in...then booom, turmoil because I am forgetful...It is a lot to think through!

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Thanks for sharing.  Yeah the warping of the player boards is lame.  But I've just come to accept it.  I'm glad you enjoyed it overall.  I've found that most games (especially those worth playing) are hard to get totally right the first time through.  Glad you had a chance to play twice to get a good feel for it.  The expansion factions are really fun too.

I love talking a lot at the table and you have to make sure you don't jump out to an early lead and make yourself a target.  One of the many things I like about the game.

For me it's truly fun to try and make sure you know your game and the opponents game.  It's fun too from a war game perspective because everyone doesn't play by the same rules and I think this is true for many conflicts in history.

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

I agree on that first point! There should be some room to grow and it is fun to see the progression in rules comprehension shift to strategy!

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

The cats board was annoying to have warped since there’s so many pieces all over it! But it wasn’t that big of a deal. Although having neoprene matador this game would be AWESOME.

Marshwiggle92 Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Neoprene matador..... Lol..... 

P. S. Not exactly woodland, but maybe the next faction box should be bulls and /or a matador. 

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Ah! I never saw that!! Lol

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

That would be cool.  They do have Neoprene Maps maybe they'll do boards later?

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

The maps look so cool! Yeah if they did it for the player boards that would be a game changer! Do you know if the maps fit in the box?

philryuh Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

If you mean if the neoprene mats could fit I side the box with all other contents, then I'd say no. The original has very little wiggle room

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

That’s a bummer... haha

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

I'd agree with this as well.  But I'm not one who stresses about getting everything together.  I'm perfectly happy taking out all three boxes when I play.  I do know many like to fit it all into one box.  So between the three boxes I have I think I could fit it.

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

That’s good to know that between the three boxes you could. I might look into getting the maps one day... haha 

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

I actually think it can easily be done in two.  But I love the art so much i love taking out the whole thing.

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

The art really is great. That’s the thing the mat originally drew me to the game when it came out!

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

It's really so awesome.  One of (if not) my favorites.

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

what are some other favs?

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Honestly, I like all of them.  It's more like which one is your favorite that you think is the lowest on the favorite scale.  If so I'd say at the moment it would be the Cats.  If that all makes sense.

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

I would agree with this, the box is very tight and everything fits really well! Not enough wiggle room for neoprene mats! though they would be very nice. 

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Yeah it’s not the greatest insert in the world tho everything fits fine... it’s simple but not my favorite 

Marshwiggle92 Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

The small box is actually so something I sorta like about it. 

Sliddell11 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

The box feels thick and good quality. However since it’s small you have to try kinda hard to get the player boards out

Marshwiggle92 Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Gotcha 

Skurvy5 Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

It’s too bad to hear about the warping. It’s disappointing to hear that even a game with such excellent production still falls victim to this. 

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

It does seem hard to avoid.  Even Scythe does this a little with the faction and player boards.  Neither are so bad to me that I feel the game is close to ruined but it would be nice if it didn't happen.  But there are a lot of climates that the boards are going to/being stored in.

Marshwiggle92 Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

I haven't had any problems with Scythe 

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

That's good I've just had a few of my board be a little out of shape.  Nothing too noticeable.

Marshwiggle92 Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Sorry 

Marshwiggle92 Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Climate can be a kicker. 

nealkfrank 3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Here you go @philryuh and @sdirrane

sdirrane Supporter3 months ago | 1 point[-]

Yes!  I'm going to read through it soon.

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